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Is Kosovo a problem to Europe?

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Picon
  • Posts: 92

Posted: 2008-02-18 11:55

When Kosovo declares its independence and the EU recognizes it, many nationalism will see this as a positive precedent. However, it is possible that the States member of the EU will have to face big problems. Or did maybe the problem exist since before?
Freeman
  • Posts: 1

Posted: 2008-02-20 22:11

Yo Picon,y u dont recognize independence? is it because you don't want Catalonia to be a new state?
Nabeelah
  • Posts: 16

Posted: 2008-02-21 13:03

'I had no doubt of Kosovars' independence, it was just a matter of time and the Russian authorities, I'm sure, understood it perfectly well as far back, as in May 2007 when Condoleezza Rice spoke on Kosovo in Moscow. And I'm very happy for the new young democracy, I saw their joy on tv. At the same time, it's quite weird to be a witness of a 'fight for independence' nowadays. Anyway, there was only one possible way out in this fight - a gift of independence that has been made.
For me what's upsetting it's the Serbian demonstrators agressivity and throwing stones in Belgrade. Well, everyone reserves his own opinion.'
(Tatiana, Moscow)
Borys
  • Posts: 1

Posted: 2008-02-21 13:17

Is Kosovo really a new democracy, as all the "recognizers" are stating? A country under NATO - UN military control, the main income imputable to black market and mafia...does really Europe needs to recognize such a "state"? Which is the next step: annexion to "Great Albania"? Are there maybe political/religous influences as: catholic Nazinger vs orthodox Serbia and Russia (which has now closer relationship with China...)
But most important: will the kosovar's life really improve?

Vivien
  • Posts: 2

Posted: 2008-02-21 15:09

Borys, great questions and comment,,thank you.
Democracy where Prime minister is a serial killer, ew-warior, very interesting...
About the life improvemet, I'm not so sure, regarding the fact that 90% of people do nothing, financed by black market and mafia and strong diaspora.The land downthere is great for agriculture, but no one care, it's easier to play the role of victims and make a plan named 'Great Albania' posible.That will be very usefull for EU (ironic)
It's true that Serbians react with agresion these days,but 15% of teritory is not to offer or to sell.Or it is? Rest to see...

Posted: 2008-02-21 17:34

In my blog you can find what I think about it: ^_^ http://cristinaredondo.blogspot.com

oLTiMUs
  • Posts: 3

Posted: 2008-02-22 10:57

Democracy where Prime minister is a serial killer, ew-warior, very interesting...
It's really funny. Do you think that it could be another way to have the indipendence. You must know my dear Vivien, that when you live under the oppression of the Serbs for more then 100 years, then everything you do is legitimate.
See Israel, whoever was prime minister or even president, before he was a warrior. That's the way the new countries are formed.
I'm from Albania, and let me say that we didnt have the indipendency by sitting and waiting that someone would have recognised us.
I hoe the best for the Kosovar people.
BAC, U KRY P.S: I would like to give to you a website in italian language that we provide for all the italians about the albanian community
http://www.albstudent.eu/iglocal (it's not spam)

Posted: 2008-02-24 12:46

Political game beetwen USA and Russia. But I support Kosovo. Maybe only because I have a lot bad experiences with Serbians and Russians. :)
Anti
  • Posts: 22

Posted: 2008-02-25 12:42

Dear all, I agree with Borris and Vivien. Questions of major importance which will have tremendous impact in lives of people who where born and leaved there. Such fanatic ethnic and almost to the limit of hate is not good for the rest of Europe. To be proud of ur country and roots is acceptable by all of us, but we should above all respect and accept other nationalities. As we have been monitoring closely we people in Balkan of how these Kosovo Albanians where behaving since many years ago – the Clinton bombing Serbia- then I can only say that this a distasteful outcome, where we will have a pack of criminals in high positions, ruling states. This is not the idea of Democracy and this not something that we want to have around us and near us. For someone leaving far away from this it’s easy to have an opinion pro-democratic. Did u all forget what happened in Croatia with the ethnic clearing when Serbs couldn’t consider it as their country? Did we forget Latvia where Russians where deported back to their sk home country? Is this what we want? As Albania more than half of its population has emigrated to Italy, Greece and other countries now Europe will have a mass invasion of Kosovars, already as you clearly stated more than half of the population is dealing with criminal issues so who is gonna ensure us that we are not be suffering from the plague of high and really cruel criminals when it is in their everyday life. Can they learn to work and make their leaving? Can they learn of solving anything with discussion and not with threats and guns? What ever our dear oLTiMUs says it purely reflects their animal instincts where they have NO place in our Europe. America wants them as puppets, so they can do for them a lot of dirty work, did u all forget Contras scandal in Latin America that CIA was financing contras war with drug money??? Democracy above all, but I want u to think all of u with ur brain and with other part of ur body, cause old eastern European countries at that time culture was something now the American style is bombing all of them with a lot of nonsaying TV programs-radio-newspapers and much more, is it nice that western Europe thinks that former eastern European countries is a big slave market of sexual services – NO of course not. This is not my dearest friends’ democracy this crap from USA that wants u to put ur brains in a non-ending coma, so u want be able to resist if needed.
Ending my long story, no Kosovars are not a nation that will be a democratic one, only a nation of corruption and high criminality with the protection of a president who is the mafia boss himself.

Marko
  • Posts: 2

Posted: 2008-02-26 22:24

I don't understand attitudes like: "there was only one possible way out in this fight - a gift of independence that has been made".
Dear friend, when someone meets you in the street and ask you to give him/her your wallet - do you find the only solution is giving away your money?

And a couple of questions: do you know a nation with two native/mother countries? Who lives in Kosovo? - Albanians, and as far as I know, Albanian people already have their own country named Albania, right? Is there some logic I missed? Does it mean every nation that lives in foreign country should ask for the independent state? Should Turkish people in Germany, or Serbs in Austria, or Romanians in France ask for their own state?
Do you find the European democracy means creating ethnic clean countries at the moment when EU is talking about world without borders and "European nation"?
I don't have enough space here to explain the way of "fight for independence", by killing innocent people, police officers in their every day's duty, children playing around... What about internationally accused Prime Minister - for terrorism, what about KLA - on the list of terroristic organizations - whose members are now "Kosovo politicians"?
Think about that...
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